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of the Charlie Kirk Show.
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of the Charlie Kirk Show. Joining me is
That was a really long pause.
We’re going to be here for hours, you
I’m sorry. Okay. So, you started Turning
So, Trump’s first rally in Arizona was
Summer of 15. So, I went with my mom.
To a Trump rally. His first one. And
Yes. He was there with his wife, his
beautiful wife and his kids. And he came
up to me afterwards and he was like,
“Hey, we’re starting this or we have
this organization and we’re starting in
Arizona. Would love for you to be a part
of it.” And it was one of those things
where everything he said sounded super
exciting, but I was getting ready to
move to New York. And that was a season
of life that I really prayed on prayed
about and it was something I needed to
move on towards. And so I said, “Thank
you for all the information, but I am
moving to Manhattan.” and I was like,
“Stay in touch.” And we didn’t really
stay in touch all that much. And then I
went to Israel. And what year was that?
opening. So I happened to be there in
And so I was on a pilgrimage with my mom
in Israel. And it was our last day. And
we were standing in the ticket line. And
I remember just trying to deal with
pulling together all of the documents
and stuff at the ticket counter. And I
turned around and I saw someone who
looked super familiar, but I’ve never
talked to them or met them before. And I
looked at him and I was like turned over
to my mom and I was like, he looks
really familiar. And didn’t say
anything. and then came back home and
got a message from Tyler uh from who I
had met at the Trump rally and he was
saying, “Hey, you should come to Turning
Point’s office. We’re having an office
opening. We’d like to discuss to you
with you about everything that we’re
doing with the faith component side of
things and yeah, we met at the office
and then we went to Bill’s Burgers in
Oh my gosh. So then, do you want to tell
You can tell it. [laughter] They hear
enough of me. It’s all they hear is me.
Okay. So, we get to Bill’sburgers and
I’m there thinking it’s a business
right? So, we sit down and you grill me
Easily on philosophy, politics,
Economics. What else? Everything else
you can imagine. He grilled me. Anything
he talks about on his podcast show, he
Just didn’t record it. [laughter]
And then afterwards he got finished with
his burger and he just sat there and he
looked at me and he’s like, “You know
what? I’m not going to hire you.” I was
like, “That’s fine. I don’t need this
job. I doing plenty of other things here
in Manhattan.” He’s like, “I’m going to
you want to take it from there.
And you said you were kind of confused.
Of course I was confused.
Now, I was somewhat blunt.
And how’d that make you feel?
Good. You guys, wait. I have a question.
No, it’s not boring, right? Okay. Yeah.
Stop. You’re fine. You’re fine.
So, how did that make you feel
when when I was that blunt? And I ask
because people are trying to obviously
compare this to their own life.
So what how do I put this? I think we
live in a day and age where dating is
let’s go out for drinks or let’s go out
for coffee, let’s get to know each
other, let’s you know take it the slow
and God knew I needed someone who was so
assertive that was going to be like no
this is what I want. we’re gonna pursue
this dating very seriously and go from
there. And so I think I was taken back
by the fact that you were assertive and
you knew what you wanted, but at the
same time it was something that I didn’t
even know I needed. And I was like, you
know what? This is he’s he’s the guy.
And I remember trying to process it on
the walk home because I literally had to
walk from Bill’s Burgers. Was that 52
right near Rockerfeller Center,
right? all the way back to 30th of
Madison just trying to like find
Oh, and home for me. And I remember
calling my mom and she was like, “Did
you get the job?” And I was like, “No,
but I got a boyfriend.” [laughter]
And I tell this to young men all the
time. I say, “You must be very direct.”
Cuz these young men, they wrap a tap
dance around the issue. And
they are never actually and my not I
shouldn’t say never, but far too often.
Yeah. I mean, don’t be so direct where
a jerk. a jerk, but you can be assertive
to the point where you’re like, “Look, I
don’t want to I don’t want to hurt your
feelings. I don’t want to get my
feelings hurt. I’m really serious about
this, and I would like to pursue you in
a very intentional manner.”
So, we’ve had two great years.
We have had two great years.
Done a lot of crazy things.
Uh and then of course all over the
Mhm. which has been something. And so
you’ve been working very hard on what
we’re wearing, your sweatshirt.
So tell everybody about that.
Right. So I started that two and a half
Well, let’s see here. No, longer than
that. I started it um yeah, I guess 2
and a half, 3 years ago. So this is the
relaunch of it. But back in August of
2016, I was coming home from Boston,
from New York, and I had a friend send
me this video. I don’t know. Did you
ever see it? It’s the video on YouTube
where this guy, this homeless guy is
sitting on the subway freezing, and
someone else on the subway sees him and
Yeah. Walks over to him, puts on him,
the freezing man, his sweatshirt and his
t-shirt and clothes him and has zero
dialogue with the homeless man. And to
me it just showed um how powerful it is
how your actions speak more than your
words. And so for me uh I was in and out
of sleep on that train. And Isaiah 61
kept being talked about in my dream. And
so when I woke up I read Isaiah 61 and
it was just beautiful. It was so
And like most times when you read
scripture you’re like this is beautiful.
I’ll, you know, live it out, but what am
I, you know, I would go about my day. So
then it wasn’t until my grandfather had
passed away in October of that year that
I came across really the mission and
purpose of Proclaim Street. And I love
my grandparents. You know, that both of
us do. We’ve always had a soft spot in
our heart for our grandparents. And so
when he passed away to cope with that uh
he passed away at 3:11 p.m. And I went
through every single Bible verse of
chapter 3:1 and came across Luke 3:1
that says, “If you have two shirts, give
the second one away to someone in need.”
Um, and that’s a paraphrase, but long
story short, um, I started to pay
attention more to the unnoticed in the
city of Manhattan. And all these people
in the streets during the colder seasons
who didn’t have really anything. I mean,
they had a t-shirt or, you know, a
blanket or a comforter to keep them
warm, but a lot of them are just on the
streets freezing. And I remember even
just taking pictures on my phone to just
remind me of either where they were on
the cross street so I could bring them
something um if I passed them again or
just to be able to use that as fuel and
as a drive to continue to push towards
getting Proclaim going. Um so I I was
like this is this is the mission. Isaiah
61 and Luke 3:11 blended together. So
that’s Proclaim Streetear and um with
this it’s purpose- driven. So every item
has a certain give back component
attached to it. So you’re wearing the
sweatshirt and the sweatshirt.
it’s all made in America.
That’s the one thing I would not
compromise on is the fact that
So people told you not to.
They did. I had mentors in the fashion
“Make it in Wuhan.” Right.
Yeah. No, [laughter] I don’t think
really anything good comes out of Wuhan.
They said go make it in China. But this
is made in America. So, it’s made in in
LA and then our other items are made in
Manhattan. Um, so but everything that’s
something I just would not compromise on
was making it in the States. I believe
you invest in what you believe in. And
to me, that’s the American seamstress,
the American worker, the American mill
And you could tell just it’s much higher
than that nonsense we import from
Oh, like Gilden and all the textile
stuff. So it’s all ethically sourced.
Sustainably sustainably made
So no that’s not the t-shirts are
bamboo. So each item has is purpose
driven. So for the sweatshirts when you
purchase a sweatshirt you’re given the
option of accepting the second
sweatshirt as a gift and you taking it
taking it upon yourself to go gift it to
someone in need on the streets during
the winter season. Someone who’s cold
that you see need something or someone
that you feel like you can interact
with. Um, and it’s up to you to proclaim
to them whatever God has placed in your
heart, whether that’s uh anything about
Jesus, whether that’s anything about
scripture. Um, but we are a Christian
clothing line and that’s something that
we are unapologetically very proud of.
And so, um, if you decide not to pass
out your second sweatshirt, the Proclaim
Street team does it for you. And we had
several outings in Manhattan with over
the past few years prior to co and it
was so powerful to witness um just
everyone out there handing out the
sweatshirts and being able to talk to
and it’s proclaimed streetear.com.
That’s where people can go.
and you’ve had a great launch.
The launch has been unbelievable and
that’s all glory to God. But I don’t I’m
like you. We’ve talked about this all
the time. We don’t believe in having our
faith just be in certain boxes. Like we
really want to be able to live out our
you know, especially when it comes to
culture, you can’t transform culture
So, everyone should check out proclaimed
street.com. You also, you’re getting
your doctorate from Liberty.
You already have your jurist master.
I have all the college degrees, so you
never have to go to school.
You have them all for me.
I do. We’re a team. Same team.
Mhm. I sometimes leave that off my
So, a lot of young people say, “What
advice do you have for dating and
We can There’s a lot of different ways
we can go that way, but what’s what’s on
I think a lot of people get frustrated
with the season of waiting. And I think
it’s something so powerful to be able to
be in that season of really um, letting
God mold your heart and mold you into
the man or woman that he needs you to be
for your spouse. And sometimes we rush
that, but I think seasons are so
important and every second that you live
your life is connected to a season, but
a season is not your whole lifetime
period. Um, and I think that having just
that intentional time with God to be
able to just stay focused in the word to
literally pursue what he has placed on
your heart, he’ll he knows who you’re
supposed to be with. And I think when we
get when we rush that and we put our
faith in algorithms like Bumble and what
are the other ones I have never been on
all those apps, you you are just
constantly swiping. And I saw that whole
hookup culture in New York because I’ve
had friends that lived it and it’s
exhausting and it’s I feel bad for
people who go on these dates and then
they’re they’re so excited. They get
fully invested into someone and then
they totally get ghosted and it’s
heartbreaking and it’s and it makes
people question, okay, am I not the
right person? Do I need to change
myself? Do I need to say things
differently? Um, so it’s just it’s one
of those things where I think having
that waiting period of of
I guess you could say fueling yourself
with things that make you a better
person and focusing on doing things for
And you just keep running your race and
running your path and God will line up
someone next to you that’s running
alongside of you. not someone who’s
going to take you off track, but someone
who keeps you focused on on him um and
doesn’t detract your attention from
Young men ask me all the time. They say,
“Well, how do I find somebody? How do I
And how do I find a Christian, you know,
woman? And young ladies ask the same
thing to you and to us. And the
I think patience is a great answer, but
also you have to prepare yourself as if
the next conversation you might have
might be the person. Are you the person
that you actually think is the most
likely to be someone worthy of being
attracted to, right? And so I think that
they’re young men almost feel entitled
to a relationship at times. And I can
speak at least from the young males. you
I would say that a lot of young men
don’t have their life together. They
they are lacking responsibility in their
life. They’re lacking direction.
Um and I think a lot of young women,
they don’t necessarily need an Instagram
model. They want someone who is willing
to take responsibility for difficulty
um uncertainty and the unknown
and to tell the truth and to be
committed to those ideals,
there is a there’s a culture that’s been
created of young men that basically are
afraid of responsibility and they just
want the gratification without it. And
then there’s another whole segment of
women that basically because of the
hyper feminization of everything become
almost the male figure in the
relationship. I think that’s very
Well, and there and I I’m a strong
female and you know that, but I also and
I and I have full respect for other
alpha females out there, but there is a
time and a place to be an alpha female.
And when you’re in a relationship, you
you are not in competition with your
other half and you’re not in competition
with them from the standpoint of who’s
So, how do you talk to boss babes out
there that are like, I’m never going to
be able to find a man? [laughter]
They need to first of all, humility is
huge in that standpoint. But second of
all, the whole boss babe culture is so
toxic. It’s so toxic. And it even talks
about in scripture how two oxen can
carry a heavier load. You cannot do it
all by yourself. And for women out there
who think they don’t need a man or don’t
think they need someone to help them um
pursue further in life or to have a more
fulfillment of themselves. It’s just
it’s I have seen it firsthand living in
Manhattan where women who are in their
late 30s, early 40s, their life was
their career. And there’s nothing wrong
with that because I my mom was a career
oriented woman and career oriented mom,
but you sacrifice a lot of things and
then by the time you’re in your 40s,
you’re bitter, you’re frustrated, you
you feel like you missed out and you
feel like you are behind the curve and
then you’re just you just are, you know,
tainted. From a boss babe culture,
it it forces women to feel like they all
need to be entrepreneurs.
And they’re not not everyone is meant to
be an entrepreneur. We all have a
specific role. But that’s why I think so
many women get frustrated is they look
on social media and they’re like, “Oh,
this person has their own
business, right? Or they’re selling
shampoo or they’re a multi-level
marketing genius or whatever, but it’s
one of those things where God, our God
is a God of order. And there’s a reason
why there’s a husband and a wife. And
there’s a reason why there’s a family.
And there’s a reason why there’s certain
things you’re supposed to do in
beforehand before you get married. And
there are things that you’re not
supposed to do before you get married,
which is saved for marriage itself. And
I think that goes for dating, too.
You’re not supposed to treat your
boyfriend or your girlfriend like your
fiance or like your husband. You set
boundaries and you really are able to
then say, “Okay, he he is in charge of
XYZ in our relationship. I am in charge
of the other side of that.” And I I know
that a lot of women who are strong,
they’re very strong personality females.
other half, your counterpart, your male
um companion the respect and the respect
Well, and I I think men have to be
And that it feeds into itself. So women
say, “You’re not worthy of my respect.
I’m going to become the man.”
So you have these hyper masculine women
that are quite honestly miserable in
right? But it doesn’t start like that. I
feel like women just they they keep
tapping away until the guy completely
breaks down and he’s like, “Look, you do
whatever you want to do. I’m
they just disengage or they become a
New York is full of them.”
Is of these men that kind of take a
to a much more boss babe type woman.
I just don’t think that works. I I mean
obviously I don’t either considering who
However, that doesn’t mean that
That doesn’t mean [laughter] women can’t
I think it’s very important that women
are that women have their own whether
that’s a career or they’re invested in
something or they’re invested in
something outside of the household,
whether that’s volunteering your time,
whether that’s having your own company,
whether that’s homeschooling your kids.
Um, I think we all have our own lane and
uh position to play within the
What bothers you the most when you look
at you kind of touched on this, but the
the dating landscape when you look at
So, for me, I I just hate wasting time.
That’s my biggest thing. I never had
short relationships. My relationships
were always either they were more they
were longer. Uh, but for me it’s one of
those things where I’m not going to
waste my time just going out to dinner
just for a free dinner. I think that’s
so tacky. I think it’s tacky that you
are stringing someone along because
you’re afraid of being alone. Um, you
that it just never resonated with me.
And um, I I just knew that
I there was no reason for me to
compromise. And the thing that drives me
nuts too is when you ask someone who
they’re looking who they’re dating or
who they’re wanting to marry, they have
this list. This I don’t know if you had
a list. I didn’t have a list, but like I
know some people who have a list that is
Like they’re building a teddy bear.
They need to be 6 foot five. They need
to be xyz. They need right like all
these things. And you just you literally
are looking at them like, are you trying
to create a Sims player? Like, there’s
no way you’re going to be able to. So,
there’s certain things you need to
compromise on and be realistic with. And
God has prepared for you someone who is
amazing and someone who is
worthy of of your heart and your love
and and why would you want to forfeit
Yeah. There’s uh people that are
emailing us a lot and they say, you
know, I have given up all hope. I’m
never going to find anyone,
And again, I I think that before looking
outward and getting bitter, you should
and try and say, how am I going to prove
myself worthy of actually wanting to
to be with At least that’s on the male
side. I don’t think that I don’t know if
Well, and how would you recommend them
Yeah. Stop doing addictive things that
less likely to be productive.
So, chemically addictive,
uh, obviously substances. And for men, I
think it’s it’s a different issue
because the young men have been beat
and I think that women are being pushed
in a position that they’re not actually
always comfortable with. I think there’s
some young ladies that literally just I
don’t want to say literally just, but
they want to become a mother and a wife,
but they feel that’s not the right thing
to do at age 24, 25. Why not?
Well, I have to go work at some awful
company in San Francisco for a couple
Mhm. And then they start to realize that
it’s actually a lot harder to find
somebody worthwhile to go build a family
well. And in those cities especially,
that’s the hardest thing is like in
those types of cities, it’s not like you
can just run into someone. So a lot of
those people that do go to those big
cities hope to find someone in the
church and that’s where it gets kind of
messy because when you go to a Bible
study that’s co-ed and people are
single, everyone’s just like sniffing
each other like, “Are you single? Are
you sing? Will you go you want to go get
coffee? And it’s just that weird
It’s really not a Bible study.
No, not at all, which is unfortunate.
But and that’s for a whole another topic
at another time. But I think there
becomes almost this desperation of I’m
running out of time. And I think people
forget that God is the author of time
and he knows exactly when you need to
find that person and when you need to
settle down and where you need to be.
And I think that for me that’s one of
the most precious things is having that
relationship with Christ, knowing, okay,
where am I supposed to be at this time?
Where am I supposed to be living? You
know, what am I supposed to be doing to
further the kingdom? And really being
vulnerable and open to making sure that
you stay within the confines of God’s
will and living a life that’s that’s
Mhm. And this is a very exciting chapter
despite all the nonsense happening in
our country and the world.
What is the one question that you’re
Well, when is the wedding?
Let’s I mean, we just got engaged.
I I I can’t I can’t go to wedding, let
We don’t even know what time we’re
leaving the office, let alone [laughter]
how am I supposed to host a wedding? I
can’t I can’t have eight people over for
Thanksgiving. I just plus I’m not a huge
I mean that’s unusual for for women.
Usually they centers around the wedding
planning a wedding since they were five.
So that that that question
I mean and then it’s just timeline is
figuring it all out. I think for me it’s
people saying like let me see the ring.
That’s definitely a common question.
It’s so and I get it and I respect it
cuz there’s a lot of people who are
excited about seeing you know the but to
me it was always so tacky when girls
would take a photo. [laughter]
I’m so excited and engaged
with their hand in front of their face,
Or they’ll put their hand out.
It’s just a picture of their hand,
right? And then the man is blurred in
the background. We talk about like
disenfranchised men. Uh but no,
like I’m so sad I’m engaged. Just look
at this. Look at Look at it. [laughter]
I know. Jeez. Oh my gosh. [snorts]
Burn your retinas. But no, it’s one of
those things where it just I I don’t I
don’t find I Look, the most important
thing to me out of all of this is that
this is a covenant that you and I are
And that is where I want the focus to
remain. Whether that’s with us or
everyone else that sees us from the
outside. It’s not You could have
literally have gotten me a piece of
But that’s- that’s advice to men is- don’t
go cheap on the ring. It’s true. It has-
to you have to be invested.
What is the statistic? It’s what do they
say the percentage of your
It’s supposed to be one month salary.
I think that’s right. Yeah. I I don’t
For young people out there, if you want
find something worth taking
Yeah. Yeah. So, but it’s been a fun
Thanks for joining the Charlie Kirk
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