Kathrine Ruonala promoting polluted Wells

“Like a muddied spring or a polluted well are the righteous who give way to the wicked.” Proverbs 25:26

A Deceptive Prophecy Given To the Glory Gathering During December 2012

Amanda WellsThis piece will be our last piece on Amanda Wells for hopefully some time. This article will look at a certain ‘prophecy’ given by Gold Coast “prophetess” Amanda Wells, to Katherine Ruonala and the Glory Gathering aka Glory City Church, situated in the inner Brisbane suburb of Kelvin Grove, in December 2012. (Amanda Wells’ comments in italics.) You can see the full prophecy at the bottom of this article.

“Over the last couple of days I’ve just been praying, “God what’s for 2013?” I had a word as I was walking yesterday and I wrote to Pastor Katherine and gave it to her. And I really believe that 2013 is going to be really, really pivotal because God is a triune God. Everything God does is in threes. Father, Son, Holy Spirit; Heaven’s in threes. And so, next year, 2013, is a pivotal year because it’s the third year. It’s like the third day. God’s going to break out. And as I was praying I heard God say that “Glory City Church is going to break out.”

Well, well, well, Amanda – what do you know about that? “I had a word as I was walking yesterday and I wrote to Pastor Katherine and gave it to her…” and who or what was the source of that ‘word’ Amanda?

Was there an underlying passage or two of scripture that supported the ‘word’? No? How about the confirmation of two or three credible, reliable ‘witnesses’ (mature brethren) Amanda? What, none? Hmmmmm – doesn’t look good does it, Amanda? “It’s like the third day” – how very NAR of you!

“There are going to be Glory Gatherings in Australia and overseas. And those Glory Gatherings are going to turn into Glory City Churches and I saw three for this year particularly. One overseas, maybe two overseas, but definitely in Australia as well. And I just saw over Pastor Tom and Pastor Katherine such an apostolic anointing coming. They’ve been standing in it but now the apostolic anointing is really upon them; it’s being released.”

Looks like there’s going to be a ‘multiplication of churches’, “…and those Glory Gatherings are going to turn into Glory City Churches and I saw three for this year particularly” but then again, that might just be the good old fashioned ‘cloning’ or ‘rebadging’ process, mightn’t it? There is absolutely no guarantee that this ‘prophecy’ is of God, no matter how holy and righteous it may sound. In fact, it sounds just like the ‘church growth’ ideology, doesn’t it? Oh dear Amanda, we do hope that ‘pastor Katherine’ didn’t give you a love offering for this one – she may have to come calling for a refund sometime soon…

Let’s remind ourselves briefly, of what scripture demands of prophets:

“Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted…” (1 Corinthians 14: 29, 30)

We don’t want to confuse or conflate the ‘gift of prophecy’ (as above) – that which is used in a normal gathering of believers, with the “office” of a prophet, which Amanda Wells claims to hold. If her prophetic utterance/gift wasn’t judged by the brethren at her local church, during a normal church service, then she automatically goes into the big league of NT Prophet – end of story. So her ‘prophecy’ must be judged accordingly for 100% accuracy – nothing less. Sorry about that Amanda, but they are the rules. The gift of prophecy is always judged at the local level, but NT Prophets are held accountable for every word they say on the national/international scale.

There are two clear instances that come to mind from scripture  – Agabus, prophesying a famine (Acts 11:28,) which is a historically recorded fact, during the days of the Roman Emperor, Claudius Caesar, and the other time, was when Agabus prophesied over the apostle Paul, concerning his fate:

“As we were staying there for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is what the Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'”… (Acts 20:10, 11)

The Book of Acts record both prophecies coming from Agabus, a recognized NT prophet – and both prophecies came true, just as the prophet had said. Notice that modern day ‘prophets’ are often ambiguous in how they deliver their ‘divine words’ concerning people, places and events? Like the word ‘building’ – during 2012 the Glory Gathering did look at several buildings, as options for larger congregations, but what is Amanda saying here, in her ‘prophecy’? A larger church building or a buildup of numbers…?

“And so, as it is, you’re going to see building start, and the building is going to bring structure. The structure is not to keep God in or keep God out, or keep you in or keep you out, but it’s to bring order because now the Church is going to face a time of great order. And some of you might be a little bit upset about that, but know that God is saying, “This is the time of order” because He’s bringing divine order.”

“…because now the Church is going to face a time of great order…” Well that just about does it for us – this tripe sounds just like the old Shepherding and Discipling doctrines of the 1970’s and 80’s – great order? What kind of rubbish is ‘Amanda’ foisting on top of poor old ‘apostle’ Katherine Ruonala? It sounds more like ‘top down control’, doesn’t it? Well, Amanda does attempt to explain this great ‘order’ that God is bringing to the Glory Gathering sometime soon:

“This is the time of order, because He’s bringing divine order.”        

(Was the Glory Gathering church in any particular kind of disorder, before Amanda’s prophecy? Perhaps, but we’ll never know…)

“It’s a time when He’s going to release apostolic leadership in the House…”

Ah well, now we have it – now we’re getting to the crux of it – more “apostles”! Of course, you see brethren, you can’t have more (NAR) churches, unless you have more (NAR) apostles, can you? So this great multiplication of ‘apostles’ has to take place first, and no doubt Katherine Ruonala would’ve been working overtime in order to concoct some kind of class (Apostolic 101?) in order to cater for the ‘demand’ of  Amanda’s ‘prophecy’. But if the ‘prophet’ who identifies just who the new order ‘apostles’ are, is proven to be a fake, then the whole “apostolic succession” goes out the window, doesn’t it?

“Because the apostolic leadership must multiply and actually take the DNA of Glory City Church into places around the Earth.”

What, pray tell, is the ‘DNA’ of Glory City Church? Is it that stamp of ownership that enjoins everything that is NAR here in old Brisbane town? Probably. DNA is a church growth code word for ‘culture’ – those who understand the church growth jargon will see it straight away. We saw this same “DNA” nonsense in another Brisbane church back in 2007, and that’s all it is – our culture, our vision, our loyalty to our pastor/pastrix – that’s what is meant by a churches’ DNA.

Amanda is merely babbling on about how the Glory Gathering is going to expand worldwide, and in so doing, will either clone or rebadge dozens of other ‘churches’ with the Glory Gathering’s DNA as a mainstay of their global agenda, going forward.

“And so you’re going to see the apostolic leadership and don’t get upset when it happens, but know that God has an anointing on this House.”

Why are we not surprised? Because we saw all of the NAR rot setting in at that church several years ago – and left. Bill Hammon, Brian Simmons, Patricia king – TODD BENTLEY!!! In 2011 it was Cindy Jacobs and Che Ahn. Yes, the whole line up of NAR heroes was present throughout the time of our visitation. Of course, all of this ‘false profit’ nonsense was predicated on the ‘anointing’ flowing from the fingertips of these ‘apostles and profits’!

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Katherine Ruonala has managed to ingratiate herself with the top shelf ‘heavies’ of the NAR movement in our day, and has reaped some handsome ‘rewards’ for doing so. She gets to host all of the above once or twice a year, and she also gets to travel on the international speaking/preaching circuit at least two or three times a year as well, but ‘apostles’ like Katherine, could never get up in the first place, without the ‘nod’ coming from a group if recognised ‘prophets’ – that just wouldn’t do – and that’s where Amanda Wells comes in. She is a ladder climbing deceiver, who poses as a business coach by day and a false prophet by night. Make no mistake brethren, this woman has not one ounce of the Spirit of God abiding on her.

There are some strong links between the Glory Gathering and Bethel – the veritable headquarters of everything NAR, situated at Redding in California, and run by Bill Johnson, with some of Katherine’s more ‘advanced’ disciples, choosing to be further deceived by spending some six months or more “going to the next level” in God, by attending Johnson’s School of the Spirit type ministry. Of course, that costs a lot of money – thousands of dollars per student, per year. Katherine Ruonala styles herself after well-known women Evangelists, such as Aimee Semple McPherson and Maria Woodworth Etter. She is a publicly avowed devotee of William Marion Branham – the Granddaddy false prophet of them all.

But, nevertheless, Amanda has said it (the divine ‘word’) – and we’d better believe it if we know what’s good for us. So, it looks like the following year (2013) was all done and dusted, not long after Amanda had unwrapped her Christmas presents.

“Multiplication is coming in this place. And it’s not just coming in here but it’s coming around the world. And you’re going to see the DNA of this House start to be planted in every place, even around the world. It is an amazing year in Jesus.”

But then again, a casual observer would be well within their rights to question this Bible based babble, wouldn’t they? No scripture to support the ‘word’ of Amanda, no multiple witnesses to confirm that it was from God, and absolutely no way of knowing whether it was an accurate New Testament prophecy at all. “Well done” Amanda – we’re sure that Katherine will have you back again sometime soon for one more go around the block!

CONCLUSION

So how do we assess ‘Amanda’ against the backdrop of the current NAR landscape? Do we try and find a ‘home’ for her amongst the myriads of emerging “apostles and prophets”, or do we discern the kind of spirit that is behind such folly? The NAR isn’t the first organisation to emerge on the world scene, claiming that they are the only ones – they have the ‘new revelation’ – and that “they” collectively have the monopoly on God, because they are the New Dawn, heralded by their own personal apostles and prophets. So, if you want to exchange the ‘old church’ for a ‘new church’ – then you also have to replace the original ‘apostolic/prophetic NT team’, with an ‘NAR apostolic/prophetic team’, and make it stick – it’s that simple!

There were other movements that have made similar claims in times past – one of those being the Mormon Church. Founding fathers Joseph Smith and Brigham Young also had similar claims towards divine inspiration and revelation – claims that have subsequently proven to be false. Essentially, Mormonism looks to be ‘Christian’ in word and deed, but further investigation has revealed modern day Mormonism to be little more than a pagan cult, couched in Christian ‘terminology’. It builds ‘temples’ and baptizes people ‘for the dead’. We’ve even heard that tithing is mandatory and it is checked regularly.

Mormonism was predicated on Smith allegedly finding a number of secret golden plates – plates with strange writing on them, which could only be properly discerned by using the two magic ‘peep stones’ named “Urim and Thumim”. By looking through the two (glass) stones, Smith and Young claimed that the writing on the golden plates could be deciphered, and that is where the Book of Mormon came from – of course it did… aided and abetted by visions from the (fallen) angel Moroni.

This is pagan priest craft at its best – it is also age old Gnosticism – “we have the secret knowledge of the ages, and it can only be discerned by our high priest/priestess” – for a small sum of money – votive offerings as well as regular ‘seasonal’ ones too. “First fruits anybody”? Or maybe we can have ‘Honour the witchdoctor” offerings, or maybe we can even offer our time, talents, energy and money, as well as our spouses and children. And in very special cases (of gross deception) we can even offer the family home upon the altar of this pagan sect, called the NAR.

So how does this work for ‘Amanda’ and her ilk? Well the ‘peep stones’ have been replaced with books, CDs and DVDs as interpreted by Amanda. The ‘golden plates’ of Mormon fame were whipped away back into heaven by Moroni after they had been ‘translated’. Strange isn’t it, that when you and I go looking for verifiable Biblical proof, there isn’t any. Unless you’re looking for jewelry manifesting in the carpet, oil just dripping off ‘Pastor Dezastor’s hands and false angelic presence and revelation manifesting in their meetings. Which you find in the modern day NAR, and where equivalent forms of deception were found in the early Mormon church.

And what was Mormonism the answer too? Christianity? Didn’t they have their own apostles and prophets “take the DNA… into places around the earth”, convincing Christianity they were the church, the whole church and nothing but the true church? If they want to use the word “DNA”, then the only DNA the church has is the Word of God.  Faith comes be hearing and hearing the word of God. Not so with Amanda and Glory City Church. It looks as though the “DNA of [Glory City Church]” is more or less the culture of their church. It is not the historic Christian faith that is the DNA, it is their Glory City culture.*

Joseph Smith was a plagiarist and a scammer – he stole stories from other writers that went to make up the Book of Mormon. He also sold “holy Wheat” to desperate farmers, suffering the ravages of drought.

But… Amanda, have you stolen your ‘revelations’ from others? And what have you got on special this week? “Anointed” CDs and DVDs? Buy one get one free?

Why are we not surprised.

AMANDA WELL’S PROPHECY

Over the last couple of days I’ve just been praying, “God what’s for 2013?” I had a word as I was walking yesterday and I wrote to Pastor Katherine and gave it to her. And I really believe that 2013 is going to be really, really pivotal because God is a triune God. Everything God does is in threes. Father, Son, Holy Spirit; Heaven’s in threes. And so, next year, 2013, is a pivotal year because it’s the third year. It’s like the third day. God’s going to break out. And as I was praying I heard God say that “Glory City Church is going to break out.”

There are going to be Glory Gatherings in Australia and overseas. And those Glory Gatherings are going to turn into Glory City Churches and I saw three for this year particularly. One overseas, maybe two overseas, but definitely in Australia as well. And I just saw over Pastor Tom and Pastor Katherine such an apostolic anointing coming. They’ve been standing in it but now the apostolic anointing is really upon them; it’s being released.

And so, as it is, you’re going to see building start, and the building is going to bring structure. The structure is not to keep God in or keep God out, or keep you in or keep you out, but it’s to bring order because now the Church is going to face a time of great order. And some of you might be a little bit upset about that, but know that God is saying, “This is the time of order” because He’s bringing divine order.

It’s a time when He’s going to release apostolic leadership in the House. Because the apostolic leadership must multiply and actually take the DNA of Glory City Church into places around the Earth. And so you’re going to see the apostolic leadership and don’t get upset when it happens, but know that God has an anointing on this House. Multiplication is coming in this place. And it’s not just coming in here but it’s coming around the world. And you’re going to see the DNA of this House start to be planted in every place, even around the world. It is an amazing year in Jesus.

Source: Amanda Wells, Prophetic Words, Glory City Church, http://www.glorycitychurch.com.au/propheticwords/, Prophecy given  30th December 2012. (Accessed 04/11/2014 at 14:26pm.)

*We will be doing a future article on Katherine Ruonala and Glory City Church.

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4 replies

  1. As a relatively new Christian, I have a question which I would like to pose to anyone who would have more knowledge of such things than I.
    Would God be likely to ever use a dishonest person or a liar or dishonest story-teller to deliver His Word (i.e. to be His prophet)?
    If an individual lied about their past, falsified their credentials, and concocted stories about his/her past to impress devotees, would such an individual be likely to be used by God to speak for Him?

    This is a vexing question which bothers me in view of the dubious pasts of several of some of these so-called prophets. If such an individual was exposed as being a “fraud” would that be a warning for Christians that this individual’s “prophecies” are not from God?

    I am confused as to how one could be truthful in some matters and yet so thoroughly dishonest in others. And if one concocts stories in some areas, how can we be sure they are no concocting these so called “prophecies”?

    Any assistance to guide me on issue his would be appreciated.

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    • Hi Confused,

      God specifically talks about the issue you raised. It would be good to do a bible study on Jeremiah 23:9-40 and Matthew 7:15-20.

      We can give you the answer. But it is more important that God leads you through His Word on these important issues.

      We would love to hear your feedback on your study. We are thinking of doing an article on Matt 7:15-20.

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  2. That was helpful. I had realised that there were false prophets as that is made pretty clear in the Bible. According to the passages in Matthew 7 we are told to judge them by the fruit of their ministry.Sometimes that’s difficult because so many of these people who prophesy claim the fruit is evidenced by numbers, increased wealth and money and all sorts of things. Also I think most times I think the prophecies are so vague that it is hard to judge anything by them.
    But Jeremiah really seemed to answer the question which was bothering me. I see that as being pretty clear ’cause he actually addresses the character of the prophets themselves as well as what they are saying. Am I right?
    I especially noticed in Jer 23:14 that the general behaviour of some prophets is being questioned which was what had been bothering me. Jeremiah condemns those who “commit adultery and walk in lies” so that he must be talking about the daily lives of those who prophesy and not just criticiising the prophecies themselves.
    Reading that chapter in Jeremiah made me believe that if we continue to listen to someone who claims to be a prophet even if we become aware of the fact that they have been less than honest in their daily lives, we are just as condemned as the “false prophet”. Don’t we become accessories to the sin?
    Thanks for putting me on to that. I have been hearing some pretty “weird” stuff from people in church meetings lately claiming to be prophets and one individual I knew had a lot of stuff going on in their personal lives that made me wonder about who it is that God really uses as prophets.

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  3. Hi folks, here’s a link to Dave Mackenzie’s’ latest blog entry, with an interesting little video collage of Pastor Katherine, at her ‘prophetic’ best…

    http://glorygathering.org/the-glory-clown-katherine-ruonala/#comment-73

    Enjoy it if you can…

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