Much can be said how slick Beth Moore was in her article below. While her tone comes across as diplomatic, her imagery is false and slanderous against Christians and assumes the worst of them.
In her article, she highlighted the behaviour of a twenty-two year old woman. Although Beth Moore claimed she wouldn’t be unkind to the twenty-two year old woman who called her a heretic, Moore failed her own standard by associating the woman as a heretic/witch hunter.
THE “DOWN PLAY” FALLACY
Later in Beth Moore’s article, she parades a false humility by playing a card from the liberal pack. We would encourage our readers to pay attention to this common fallacy often used by false teachers.
In this post Beth Moore is appealing to the readers Christian ethics and/or ignorance, hoping that they treat her as though they are walking side by side on the things they both seemingly struggle with.
Beth Moore writes,
“I’m still very much on my journey, too. Such a long shot from arriving. I’ve woefully regretted things I’ve said and some things I’ve taught. All of us are on a learning curve in this culture entrusted to our care.”
See the problem? This is a common fallacy that we call the “Play it Down” or “Down Play” fallacy. False teachers use this fallacy to shut up their critics and followers regularly. This fallacy wont say you are wrong. However, it will imply the user of this fallacy is right and you’re wrong no matter what the subject matter.
Unlike other fallacy’s, this tricky fallacy appeals to your standard or to the worst/lowest possible standards one could visually conjure in a conversation. It deliberately capitalises on vague concepts or notions to silence the particular issue at hand.
In Beth Moore’s case she’s regretted things she has taught because, it’s her “journey”. You see, “All of us are on a learning curve in this culture entrusted to our care”.
There’s the downplay. “All of us” is the vague standard. That can mean anything. She has suspended you in a mystical limbo. Moore still comes across as right while the reader feels bad that they even had an issue with her in the first place. The deceit lies in the fact that Beth Moore wants to escape accountability when it suits her. Thus she will use this fallacy to silence people and being accountable to her false teachings.
The truth is, Moore has set herself up as a teacher. She is NOT your average woman. If she wants the privileges of a teacher then she needs to meet certain biblical requirements (which she doesn’t). So why is she appealing that Christians treat her as thought she should have no special knowledge or priveleges? She is either a biblical teacher or a common person “on [her] journey” to something. The Bible identifies that this is the EXACT behaviour of a false teacher:
“For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth…” 2 Timothy 3:6-8 [Emphasis added]
It would appear that Beth Moore is not as genuine as a lot of Christians may think. From our experience, that’s the sign of a hireling or a wolf. And a wolf would often say the below because they are the ones that control the dialogue, not you. Why? Because they are the teacher, expecting you to do as you are told.
“But, as we learn and as we operate in these public forums where everybody has a voice, come, let us reason together.”
She has made it very clear that if Christians “operate in these public forums” who buck what she considers to be unkind behaviour, then they are following a “toxic, dangerous, and slanderous” trend. Beth Moore doesn’t care if “everybody has a voice”. To her, most of them are invalid. (And we say that because she has not addressed valid claims made against her over the years. She is a false teacher because she peddles false teachings and endorses other false teachers. You can visit FightingForTheFaith.com or Apprising.org to see this for yourself.)
And while Beth Moore encourages Christians to, “come, let us reason together”, she couldn’t be more hypocritical. If she wants to reason with Christians for validly labeling her as a false teacher, what is her scriptural justification in the below piece for labeling them heretic hunters? She offered no biblical reasoning or support.
Name-calling and slander mixed with her fine diplomatic skills to shut Christians up was all she served Christianity in that post. That’s not reasoning together. That’s called manipulation and bullying. And Beth Moore has the audacity to tell Christian’s they need to carry “the scent of Christ”?
This woman needs to repent.
BETH MOORE’S ARTICLE
Beth Moore writes,
It’s Hunting Season for Heretics
Not long ago I saw something on social media that had a particularly troubling effect on me as a fellow follower of Jesus. Of course, we see deeply disturbing things on social media everyday. Things that trouble us not only as Christians but, for crying out loud, as fellow humans. Things much more troubling than what I’m about to share with you today. I may comment on those things and cry out to God about those things but I’d less likely write a blog post about them. Other voices are more qualified. My concerns and the kinds of things I write about are more inclined toward matters involving the community of believers in Christ. I love the community of faith so much. Called to discipleship, it is the focus of my life passion and has been for thirty years. I only have one small desk from which to watch our world so I miss a lot but, among the things in my eyeshot, I see so much cause for praise. So much good. I see stirrings of revival. Outbreaks of evangelism. Demands for justice. I don’t know how anybody truly awake in the believing world could claim that nothing good is happening in Christianity.
But the reason I’m writing today is that I’m seeing a burgeoning trend out there that is toxic, dangerous, and slanderous. Nothing about it carries the scent of Christ.
It’s a witch hunt. Only, instead of witches, it’s heretics and false teachers.
I’ve been watching the witch hunt for several years and seen the usual targets and been one of the usual targets. The lists are growing by leaps and bounds and list-makers are proudly joining ranks. This is part of our brave, new world. And everybody’s game, especially anybody vaguely outspoken. An addition was made to the list here recently that was so absurd that it would have been laughable had it not said so much about where this whole trend is heading.
I’ll leave out the names of other targets and speak firsthand from my own experience. After all, the thing that troubled me on social media recently was personal. It was an attack not made behind my back. It was said where I would see it.
The tweet referred to me on my feed as “false teacher @BethMooreLPM.”
Nothing was new about seeing that. I also regularly get called a heretic.
As unpleasant and bewildering as it is, that’s not the part that particularly disturbed me. The part that got me is that it came from 22 year-old young woman.
Maybe she started young and really had done enough of the Bibles studies or read enough of the books to support a doctrinal evaluation like that.
What is more likely is that she believes it because it’s what she’s heard from someone she respects.
Or maybe she’s seen evidence with her own eyes through segments of video-teaching taken out of their original context and strung together in such a way to suggest a representation of an entire thrust of ministry.
I don’t know exactly how she came up so confidently with that label so early in her adult Christian life but somehow she did.
The tweet didn’t make me mad. It made me sad. I wanted to ground her and give her a homework assignment. Lest you go looking for her, I deleted the comment from my feed when I knew I was going to write this post. We’re not going to respond to unkindness with more unkindness. That’s not God’s way. Anyway, the odd thing of it is, I loved her immediately. My calling is discipleship and my focus is women. I want women plugged into churches. I want them continually sitting under pastors, shepherds, and teachers. I love to hear that women are studying in group environments but I also want them to study for themselves. Not just get spoon-fed what to think and not only about the Scriptures and the local church but also about the larger community of faith and those who serve within it. About the responsible use of voice. About what qualifies as a heretic. About mutual respect for their own brothers and sisters in Christ. About fair evaluations. Due diligence.
I’m still very much on my journey, too. Such a long shot from arriving. I’ve woefully regretted things I’ve said and some things I’ve taught. All of us are on a learning curve in this culture entrusted to our care. But, as we learn and as we operate in these public forums where everybody has a voice, come, let us reason together.
There is a mighty wide pond between “I line up with him/her” and “He/she is a false teacher.” Let’s think about wading through it. That’s all I’m saying.
In a massive cross section of Christian voices on social media, the bottom has dropped out of an entire line of reasoning and way of relating to one another.
We’ve jumped straight to terms like “false teachers” and “heretics” instead of expressions that very likely represent the differences more accurately. Such as…
I strongly disagree with _________________________ about _______________________________.
I believe __________________________________ is unsound about ____________________________.
Disagreement is not a qualification for declaring someone a heretic. Even vehement disagreement.
As well, getting something wrong doesn’t automatically make a person a false teacher. If that were so, we’d all qualify at one time or another. There are vital elements that need to be considered, taught, and discussed among us in our Christian environments like what constitutes proper criteria for making claims of heresy and false teaching and what is orthodoxy? How do we wisely oppose and confront? How does Jesus say to handle it? What really are the deal-breakers?
Of course there are false teachers! Of course there are heretics! Of course they must be questioned! Of course, people should be warned! Of course teachers of the Scriptures must be held accountable for what they’re teaching!
My concern today is the disturbing trend of throwing dangerous labels around because of what we’ve heard and not what we’ve investigated fairly and properly. I realized several years ago that one of my most outspoken critics has never even cracked open one of the Bible studies. Not one. Doesn’t want to either. All there is to the entire ministry from his perspective is this: “she claims special revelation from God.” And, based on his summation, I equate these “special revelations” with the Word of God.
Are you kidding me? He can say that from a distance but I do not believe he can make that claim close up. If he can, I’m the one that needs grounding.
We are the Body of Christ. We are brothers and sisters. Even when we are utterly convinced the other person is wrong and we have doctrinal ducks in a row to prove it, we are never to treat one another “as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.” (2 Thessalonians 3:15) Yes, we must hold one another accountable and hold ourselves accountable. We question one another. We by all means keep discussing and debating and entering into healthy disagreements.
But we stop short of labeling one another things like false teacher and heretic until we’ve done our homework.
This isn’t a polished post. No time this particular day to make it so. But I offer it to you with one simple hope: that we’d be among those who take pause. Among those who consider ethics of speech to have an important place on our Christian platforms. Among those who think before we speak.
It’s hunting season out there. Let’s be careful how we hunt.
Brothers and Sisters, I wrote this in a comment as I closed that portion of the post but it could easily get lost in well over 300 entries. I thought I would add it here as well:
Hey, Everybody. I so appreciate you stopping by. You guys have really kept me busy this weekend moderating all these comments and entering into discussions both here and elsewhere. I have a taping this coming weekend and need to prepare four different teaching sessions toward it. It will keep my hands full every single day. We also have our big Scripture memory post coming up later this week here on the blog so we will be very occupied with those things. For that reason, I am going to need to close the comments at this point on this post. I’m the only one moderating this post and I am out of time. My attentions must now turn to preparation for the taping.
I do want to tell you something though. This comment line has had value in my life and ministry. I want you to know that and I want to thank you. I am a thinker and you have caused me to think and to pray and to worship and to read and to reflect and to remember and to reconsider. Those are always good things. I love to learn and I promise you that as long as I live and breathe, I will seek to keep learning.
It is doubtful that I will ever satisfy my harshest critics but I want to be a loving fellow-follower of Christ. Just as they do not line up with me, there are distances that I cannot go with them. I believe God can be more willing to reveal Himself in our day than some of my brothers and sisters do. I believe the New Testament well supports such a stand. It is easier and more controllable and comfortable just to say that He does not and it cuts out so much of the risk but I don’t believe we can control the Holy Spirit like that without ultimately quenching Him.
We must test everything and hold fast to what is good. We all must stay in God’s Word, study it hard, pray, fast, memorize. The God-breathed Word recorded on the pages of Scripture is our Truth, our authority, our standard by which all else is measured. Nothing equates with the Scriptures: no word of knowledge, no prophetic message, no insight, no revelation, no dream, no vision. Nothing. That doesn’t mean they can’t be valid. The New Testament says they can. But they must never supplant or be placed on the same level with the Scriptures. The Word of God is how we test everything else. We also must keep subjecting ourselves to accountability and stay attached and approachable to a sound body of believers in a local church.
And as we do, may God pour His Holy Spirit upon us. Profusely. Extraordinarily. Miraculously. We need Him and want Him desperately. May He renew wonders in our day. May He anoint us powerfully and shield us protectively.
In John 5:39-42 Jesus confronted a group of leaders with words that have long since made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. He told them that they “diligently study the Scriptures” but went on to say, “you do not have the love of God in you.” It is possible to be a diligent, devoted student of the Word of God without having an ounce of His love in our hearts. Brothers and Sisters, let that be far from us. How we treat one another matters. Let’s not grow cold to one another even in our disagreements. Faith, hope, and love. These are the things that remain.
I am honored to serve you and it has been my honor to host you this weekend here at the blog. Stay the course, everybody. Don’t grow weary. Jesus is so worthy. And it won’t be long until we see that glorious face.
In the bonds of His love,
Source: Beth Moore, It’s Hunting Season for Heretics, The LPM Blog, http://blog.lproof.org/2015/01/its-hunting-season-for-heretics.html, Published 09/01/2015. (Accessed 10/01/2015.)
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“Name-calling and slander”. Inadvertently taking a selfie there?
By the way, loving the multi-site websites. Brian Houston has claimed that he was the first or one of the firsts in the world to have a multi-site church. Love that you are following his lead by having a multi-site website with a Central campus. Though it’s odd that you haven’t worked out how to have the comments from the satellite sites appear on the Central site, and the Central comments on the satellite sites. You’ll need to have that fixed. A serious mega-site would have solved the issue by now. Surely Fergus knows what to do?
Rabbit season, duck season: http://youtu.be/9-k5J4RxQdE
““Name-calling and slander”. Inadvertently taking a selfie there?”
Touché NewTaste. Touché.
In answer to your question: no. If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck – it’s a duck. We put the appropriate labels on those that the bible defines as false. No slander required. Just the biblical facts.
The reason why we initially created sites that specifically targeted the most influential cults in Australia and Asia was so that we didn’t deviate from our original tasks.
Church Watch Central exists from the requests of Christians around Australia, New Zealand and other parts of the world, to monitor other false movements, cults and heretics.
“Brian Houston has claimed that he was the first or one of the firsts in the world to have a multi-site church. Love that you are following his lead by having a multi-site website with a Central campus. ”
That is interesting. We didn’t know that. But we don’t really care either. We like the fact that no one really comments on the CWC site. It saves us a lot of work.
On this point I agree with Beth Moore, we are indeed seeing a “a burgeoning trend out there that is toxic, dangerous, and slanderous. Nothing about it carries the scent of Christ”. The plague of false “prophets”, properity preachers, New Age spruikers and other ear ticklers that the Christian church is experiencing is terrifying. Beth Moore’s patronising comments regarding “Twenty two” are indicative to me that there is “Nothing about the scent of Christ” in her behaviour. Moore states that she was more concerned about the age of her critic than the content of the criticism! Moore says she wanted “to give [Twenty-two] a homework assignment”, and then goes on to sanctimoniously proclaim “We’re not going to respond to unkindness with more unkindness”. Her comments about her critic fit very comfortably into the category of “unkindness” in my view.
Moore’s claim that criticism of her is a “witch hunt” has a familiar ring to it. This is the hackneyed catch-cry of Pastors and leaaders in the Christian Church over the years which I have repeatedly heard whenever they are held to account or questioned. It’s an interesting phrase isn’t it…… witch hunt……..? I have often wondered why this is their phrase of choice. Could it possibly be that the behaviour of some of these self proclaimed leaders …….. the fanciful and unconfirmed prophecies, the false healings, and promises of wealth……. dangerously teeter on the brink of putting them into category of “witches” and soothsayers?
Wow….hard to believe that you would spend your time going after a Woman of The Word. I am 70 years old and have taken and taught almost all of Beth’s studies along with BSF and Explorer studies. My husband is an evangelist and has been in the ministry for over 30 years as well as pastoring for 15 years. We are students of the Word and teachers as well so I can say with authority, you are way off base attacking Beth. We are so conservative we ‘squeak’ but try to walk a Grace path and steer away from all Legalism. I’m sure Beth has make mistakes because we’ve all made them but she is a Spirit-filled teacher walking in human flesh. Please spend your time and energy highlighting the enemy of our souls instead of one of our Sisters in Christ.
Hi Judy. You do realised you contradicted yourself:
“I am 70 years old and have taken and taught almost all of Beth’s studies along with BSF and Explorer studies.”
“We are so conservative… and steer away from all Legalism.”
If you’re conservative, you wouldn’t promote and spread the teachings of a fraud. It’s false teachers that attack Christ’s church. You would be wise to just stick to the bible and leave Moore alone.
“Going after”? What another interesting turn of phrase. I was simply commenting on the evidence before me. I am not “going after” anybody? You affront me with that assertion. And I did not “attack” Beth Moore, I simply pointed out her own words and attitude to another Christian indicated a matter of concern for me.
I am interested in the title you have used to describe Beth Moore in your reply. “Woman of the Word”. From where did that title emanate if you don’t mind my asking. Since it is capitalised, I would be interested to know of its origins as pertaining to Beth Moore.
As “students of the word and teachers as well” you would then be patently aware that it is totally against the Word for women to be preaching or teaching at all. In that respect therefore, Beth Moore has indeed “made a mistake”. And may I suggest, very respectfully, that you also should not be “teaching”. The Bible is VERY clear on this issue. Very, very clear. This flood of women who are now teaching in churches and proclaiming themselves as “prophets” etc is very concerning in my view.
“Legalism”? That’s is a common word flung around by those who wish to make an excuse from straying from the Word of God. The Word is the Word and straying from it moves one into very dangerous Territory. I thank you for your comment, but am disappointed that you would see my comments as an “attack”. This is somewhat inflammatory word don’t you think? I can only hope that in fairness you “reprimanded” your ‘Sister in Christ” for her words then regarding the lady about whom she made comments. Was that not an attack? Please point out to me how you have differentiated the two.
One someone please tell me what it is she is teaching that is False? I truly don’t understand all of this accusing and pointing fingers in the body of Christ. 🙁
I am totally unfamiliar with Beth Moore’s ministry. I read her reply about hearing the Voice of God and doing what it tells you to do. And I have to say how can any Christian disagree with that. Whether you read the Bible seven hours a day or seven minutes a day and follow it to the best of your ability, if you are a real Christian, some day you will hear a voice inside of your brain that you know is the voice of God giving you specific instruction about a specific thing. If you have read the Bible enough, you will immediately know, no, this is an imposter, or yes, this is the Voice of the Master. And when you have listened, accepted, and obeyed, you will find that these words change your entire life and cause you to understand righteousness more than you ever dreamed was possible I have heard this Voice and direction many times since I got saved. The first time I heard God’s voice, I was not saved. It was August 29, 1956. I was in despair, at the end of my own self and my own power. I was in the process of opening a window to roll myself over the sill and let myself fall to the ground. TWICE. LOUD. CLEAR AUDIBLE. In my right ear. I got a specific revelation. Private to me only. But very definately agreeing with written Scripture. I thing it was my guardian angel, or Jesus in perso. The words I heard were. “YOU’RE JUMPING INTO HELL!!!” I ran away from the window. Then on March 13, 1957, 9:10 pm, a Wednesday, I got my deliverance to His salvation. And that same divine Voice I heard that day has on occasion given me other instructions. I would say, Leave Beth alone.
If God was speaking to Beth Moore, why is she not convicted of usurping the role of men and operating in the role of teacher and prophet? She is not hearing from a God and her very ministry is going against God and his Word. She is apostate incarnate.
“I would say, Leave Beth alone.”
Then we’d say to you, leave Jesus alone and make up your own religion. Beth Moore has drawn you away from the teachings of Jesus and his disciples. The Apostle Paul exposes her as a wolf considering her actions. If she can leave Jesus and Christianity alone, we will leave her alone.
As for now, she is making Jesus and the Holy Spirit out to be liars. It makes us wonder why you are defending such a lawless one.
I have, for many years had red flags with BM teaching. However I am concerned when reading your replies to the above comments. We have to consider how we respond to people who are having questions about your posting. They may say to themselves, “I’ll need to pray and ask God to clarify” or if we/you say something in an unloving manner, with arrogance, etc., They might say “well he’s just a jerk and doesn’t emulate Christ’s teaching so I’ll just disregard what he posted”. Speaking the truth in love is what we are instructed to do. I will be praying for BM, Joyce Meyer and the many who are “off” in their teaching to repent. My hope follows God’s word, in that “not wanting anyone to perish but have everlasting life”. My hope is that you receive this in the manner in which I wrote it. In Love.
Beth Moore is a true follower of Jesus Christ,she has been brutalized and back stated by her own jealous brothers and sisters in Christ.if you have never sat under one of her studies then you are a stirrer up of the brethren,strife causer.She sticks with God’s word and I lift her up in prayer.Hang in there Beth,this too shall pass♡I have done and am doing several of her studies with ladies in my house.we are in the study of Daniel right now at this moment. I thank God for her hard work in the scriptures and staying true to God.
“Beth Moore is a true follower of Jesus Christ”
If she is a true follower of Christ, why does she hate to submit to Jesus’ Word?
And why are you defending a woman who hates God’s Word with such a passion?
Don’t stand with the damned Darlene. False teachers don’t do anyone any earthly good. Stand on the Word of God alone.
I am the mother that wrote into a couple discernment ministries warning about what happened to my son’s friends at a Passion Conference where Louis Giglio, Francis Chan, John Piper and BETH MOORE led the entire audience in lectio devina…they met a girl outside crying because she couldn’t hear the audible voice of God as Louis Giglio described…well that was a few years ago…I should tell you that of those college students that attended that are friends of my son, the fruit is that one is now living a gay lifestyle. He is using the same process to read and study God’s word as is taught by Beth Moore – google all the words in the bible on a particular subject and twist and apply as you wish – experience trumps doctrine! After attending bible studies where all the kids decided they were hearing God give them a daily revelation through emptying their minds – or reciting a verse until their consciousness takes over – and attributing those thoughts to the almighty God – just as they were instructed by Beth Moore and Louis Giglio at Passion conferences – that he no longer believes in God at all! The last straw was when one person in the bible study declared that God said to her that day, “Stacy, I’m gonna ROCK your world!” (name changed) His reply was, “Really Stacy, GOD said that to you? Really?” He left the church and his faith and hasn’t looked back. And perhaps most tragic is another one of the boys who felt like they had been “saved” at the Passion Conference became active in the Unity Church and regularly integrated eastern mystical practices, Buddism, transcendental meditation and more because it was “just like what he experienced at the Passion Conference. Last summer that young 22 year old committed suicide – lost …so lost !!! DOCTRINE MATTERS!!! False teachers are leading our children astray. I am sick to death and devastated by this beloved young person never knowing the truth – even though I tried to warn him, a teacher with more clout and influence and EXPERIENCE led them away from the truth.
At 22, that young lady may have read the Bible several times, attended a church where the Word was rightly taught, and completed a 4 year degree in Biblical Studies. Not hard to see how she has assessed Beth Moore heresy correctly.