Rick Warren speaking from both sides of his mouth over Chrislam

There is a lot of concern about Rick Warren pushing Chrislam on Christians. Is he or is he not? Well, here are some well researched articles that should help you. These articles are here for people’s research purposes in case the original articles disappear.

WND Faith reports,

NEWSPAPER CATCHES RICK WARREN FIBBING?

Says Saddleback confirmed its report on ‘Chrislam’ accurate

When an Orange County Register article about Rev. Rick Warren of Saddleback Church’s mission to heal differences between evangelical Christians and Muslims was published, some of the pastor’s critics saw it as more evidence of a blurry vision of “Chrislam,” a blending of Christianity and Islam, despite his repeated denials.

The Feb. 23 article cited Saddleback documents that see similarities between Christianity and Islam. One co-authored by Jihad Turk of the Christian-Muslim Consultative Group in Los Angeles and Abraham Meulenberg, pastor of Interfaith Outreach at Saddleback claims the two religions “worship the same God.”

While many supporters of Warren insist that claims in the article are false, the Register reporter and an editor at the paper told WND that Saddleback Church leadership confirmed that the article was “factually accurate.”

“Folks at Saddleback initially made but then withdrew a request for a clarification to the story’s first paragraph,” reporter Jim Hinch told WND in an email.

“Instead of the words ‘Muslims and Christians worship the same God’ they wanted the story to read ‘Muslims and Christians believe that God is one.’ The rest of the story, they said, is factually accurate.”

WND calls and emails to Warren were not returned.

Despite his staff’s acknowledgement to the Register that the article is factually accurate, Warren denied claims in the article by pointing the finger at the reporter for “getting it wrong.”

“This is an example of why I always doubt what I read in newspapers and blogs about ministries,” Warren said in a statement sent to church members.

“Secular reporters trying to cover churches and theological issues often get it wrong,” he said.

“But then Christian bloggers, instead of contacting the ministry, blindly believe, quote and repost the errors made by secular reporters. Then those errors become permanent, searchable, and global on the Internet,” he continued.

“I couldn’t count the number of times a secular reporter has gotten a story about Saddleback wrong but then it is perpetuated by Christians who never fact-check. And the three factors I mentioned about the Internet make it impossible to correct all the misperceptions, and outright lies that get repeated over and over.”

The Register’s Hinch, who has worked as a senior editor at Guideposts magazine, told WND that numerous pastors at Saddleback were contacted about his article, and each one of them told him Warren would not be made available for comment for the story.

One pastor even emailed Hinch to say that “leadership decided they don’t want the work of King’s Way to be published.”

“King’s Way” is a document that was a central focus of the Register story.

The document was unveiled at Saddleback Church in December to an interfaith audience of more than 300 Muslims and Christians. It reportedly was co-authored by Meulenberg and Turk.

The five-page document, which outlined similarities between the two religions, was  introduced through a slide presentation at the event.

Under the heading “A Path to End the 1,400 Years of Misunderstanding Between Muslims and Christians,” the presentation included Bible verses and Quran verses side by side to make the case that the God for both religions are one in the same.

One example was titled “Who we believe in,” followed by “God is the Creator – Genesis 1:1, Al Shura 42:11″

The two verses read:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1

“The originator of the heavens and the earth…” – Al Shura 42:11

Another example was titled “God is One,” followed by “Mark 12:29, Muhammed 47:19″

The verses say:

“And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear O’ Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” – Mark 12:29

“So know that there is no Diety except Allah” – Muhammed 47:19

Hinch told WND that he obtained a copy of the “King’s Way” document from a confidential source on the condition that it not be published in its entirety.

He said the document “outlines several areas of theological agreement between Christians and Muslims and commits members of both faiths to three goals: becoming friends; making peace; and sharing ‘the blessings of God’ with others.”

“The Register story based the phrases ‘same God’ and ‘one God’ on the phrasing in this document, which states that Christians and Muslims believe in one God,” Hinch said.

WND’s repeated requests to Saddleback for a copy of the document went unanswered.

After the Register article was published, Warren issued a statement through a Christian Post reporter in an interview format.

Warren said, “A few days ago, an article appeared in the Orange County Register that included some outrageous statements about Saddleback that were incorrect.

“Of course, the media rarely gets everything right, and there’s no way we could respond to every false statement made about us. But I felt this article created so many misperceptions that I agreed to do an interview in response.”

The interviewer also asked Warren if people of other religions worship the same God as Christians, to which Warren replied, “Of course not. Christians have a God that is unique.”

Steve McConkey, of bigworldwatch.com, a news gathering site, said of Warren’s response to the article: “A person should not say one thing one time and another thing later and then blame the reporter.

“The problem that we have is that he has a case of doublespeak. Warren denies the Orange County Register article’s contents, but the document he signed ‘A Common Word Between Us and You’ says differently,” said McConkey.

McConkey was referring to a much publicized 2007 document signed by Warren, among many other Christian leaders. Within the first few lines it says that “many Christians have been guilty of sinning against our Muslim neighbors.”

“Before we ‘shake your hand’ in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world,” the document states.

The lengthy document then outlines how both Muslims and Christians serve “one God” and makes an argument that the two are one in the same, much like the “King’s Way” document unveiled in December at Saddleback Church.

It is that perspective that some Christians have called “Chrislam.”

Saddleback and Warren declined numerous WND attempts to speak about the issue. But in the Christian Post, he responded.

The publication asked, “Are you promoting Chrislam?”

“Of course not. It’s the lie that won’t die,” he said.

Yet his staff has acknowledged the Register article is correct, he had a role in the “King’s Way” document and he signed “Common Word.”

The Register story mentions that both Turk and Gwynn Guibord serve an organization called Christian-Muslim Consultative Group.

WND reached Guibord regarding her interview with Hinch. In the interview she states that her group has avoided inviting evangelical churches to join their endeavor to “foster relationships between churches and mosques” but is now changing that opinion because “Saddleback’s effort is unprecedented.”

Source: By Dave Tombers, NEWSPAPER CATCHES RICK WARREN FIBBING?, http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/newspaper-catches-rick-warren-fibbing/, Published: 03/07/2012 at 8:42 PM. (Accessed 18/03/2014.)

BeliefNet reports,

New accusations connect Rick Warren with Chrislam

After an Orange County Register article describes Saddleback Community Church’s outreaches to the Islamic community, pastor taken to task on conservative websites

New accusations that mega-church pastor Rick Warren is promoting a new world religion that will usher in the Antichrist are raging again, despite Warren’s adamant and frustrated denials.

Fanning the flames on the Internet this time are none other than The New American magazine, the official publication of the right-of-center John Birch Society and conservative columnist Joseph Farah.  Renewed interest in “Chrislam” and Warren was apparently sparked by an article in a local newspaper, the Orange County Register.

Warren, pastor at southern California’s Saddleback Community Church in the Los Angeles suburb of Lake Forest, is accused of trying to merge Christianity and Islam. When asked, Warren shakes his head in amazement – saying it’s “the lie that won’t die,” but which keeps resurfacing.

So, what’s causing all the chatter?

“The Rev. Rick Warren,” writes the Register’s Jim Hinch, “one of America’s most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.”

Did Warren actually say that? Hinch continues: “The effort, informally dubbed King’s Way, caps years of outreach between Warren and Muslims. Warren has broken Ramadan fasts at a Mission Viejo mosque, met Muslim leaders abroad and addressed 8,000 Muslims at a national convention in Washington D.C.” 

Hinch then notes that Saddleback worshippers have invited Muslims to a Christmas dinner and even played interfaith soccer at a picnic in Irvine “attended by more than 300 people.” The game was not Christians vs Muslims, but “pitted pastors and imams against teens from both faiths,” reports Hinch. “The teens won.”

So, what’s wrong with a dinner and soccer game? And did Warren actually say that Muslims and Christians worship the same deity? 

“I’ve had a number of issues with Rick Warren over the years,” writes syndicated conservative columnist Farah, a former executive news editor at the right-of-center Los Angeles Herald Examiner and  Sacramento Union newspapers. “But, with his latest effort to find common theological ground with Muslims and suggesting Christians and Muslims worship the same God, the man dubbed ‘America’s Pastor’ by the secular media is getting very close to heresy – if not crossing the line.

“Here  is the key to illustrating his error: Do Muslims even claim to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as Christians and Jews do?” asks Farah. “No, they do not. They believe God did not create a covenant with Isaac and Jacob, but rather with Abraham’s firstborn son Ishmael. They believe the Jewish and Christian Bibles are misrepresentations of truth. They believe the Quran accurately and faithfully represents the true personality and will of God.

“This is not a minor theological difference. It is as basic and fundamental as it gets.”

“Into this breech, Warren seeks common theological ground,” objects Farah. “It would be easier to find common theological ground between Christians and atheists than Christians and Muslims. In a very real sense, as Joel Richardson has propounded in his brilliant work, The Islamic Antichrist, Islam represents the polar opposite of Christianity.

“Worse yet, in seeking this universalist creed, Warren is agreeing not to evangelize Muslims in favor of the following: making friends; building peace;  working on shared social service projects.

“Those are all high ideals,” writes Farah, “but the ultimate expression of love, according to the God of the Bible, is to introduce non-believers to Him and the pathway to salvation through repentance. Though Warren steadfastly denies it, what his Saddleback Church is doing is very close to efforts to blend Christianity and Islam into a universalist creed called ‘Chrislam.’”

Farah admits that Warren adamantly denies such a charge:  “In response to that accusation, Warren wrote: ‘My life and ministry are built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.’”

Actually, Warren has gone much further than that short statement in denying any intention of merging Christianity with Islam. He has calling such accusations ‘nonsense,’” writes Jennifer Leclaire for CharismaNews. She reports that recently he “directly responded to one of his Twitter followers. The question was: ‘Old guy on TV claims u support chrislam. True?’

“That ‘old guy,’” explains Leclaire, “was likely Jack Van Impe, the popular end-times television host” who pulled his show off of the Trinity Broadcasting Network after naming several well-known ministers who are alleged to be backing Chrislam.

Jack Van Impe

Warren has responded on several occasions, pointing to Proverbs 14:15, which states “Only a fool believes all that he hears,” then writing on his website for pastors:

“The so-called ‘Chrislam’ rumor is 100 percent false. If the guy who started this libelous myth, or anyone else who passed it on, had obeyed our Lord’s command (Matt. 18:18-20) to come directly to me, and then asked what I actually believed – they would have been embarrassed to learn that I believe the exact opposite. As a fourth generation Christian pastor, my life and ministry is built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.”

But did Warren say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God? In response to the new rash of rumors, Brandon Cox, pastor at a Saddlebrook mission church in Rogers, Arkansas, and the editor of pastor.com posted this:

“Pastor Rick Warren has often said that ‘you never win your enemies to Christ, only your friends.’ And he’s gone far past the limits most believers are willing to broach in order to form friendships and love a world in need of Jesus. Because of this, he’s often the target of unfair criticism and unfounded rumors. If you’ve longed for Pastor Rick to clear the air with boldness and clarity, keep reading. It’s the transcript of an interview between Rick, the Christian Post, and myself.  Read on…

“QUESTION: Do people of other religions worship the same God as Christians?

“WARREN: Of course not. Christians have a view of God that is unique. We believe Jesus is God! We believe God is a Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not 3 separate gods but one God. No other faith believes Jesus is God. My God is Jesus. The belief in God as a Trinity is the foundational difference between Christians and everyone else. There are 2.1 billion people who call themselves Christians… whether Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Pentecostal, or Evangelical…and they all have the doctrine of the Trinity in common.

“QUESTION: A recent newspaper article claimed you believe Christians and Muslims worship the same God, that you are ‘in partnership’ with a mosque, and that you both agreed to ‘not evangelize each other.’ You immediately posted a brief refutation onlineCan you expand on that?

“WARREN: Sure. All three of those statements are flat out wrong. Those statements were made by a reporter, not by me. I did not say them …  I do not believe them… I completely disagree with them … and no one even talked to me about that article!   So let me address each one individually:

“First, as I’ve already said, Christians have a fundamentally different view of God than Muslims. We worship Jesus as God. Muslims don’t. Our God is Jesus, not Allah. Colossians 2:9 ‘For in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.’

“Second, while we urge our members to build friendships with everyone in our community, including Muslims and other faiths, (‘Love your neighbor as yourself’), our church has never had any partnership with a mosque.  Friendship and partnership are two very different levels of commitment. Some of our members have hosted a Bible study with Muslim friends, which I applaud, but I’ve never been to it, and a Bible study certainly isn’t any kind of partnership or merger! It’s just crazy that a simple Bible Study where people explore Scripture with non-Christians would be reported as a partnership and others would interpret that as a plan for a new compromised religion. Just crazy!

“Third, as both an Evangelical and as an evangelist, anyone who knows me and my 40 year track record of ministry knows that I would never agree to ‘not evangelizing’ anyone!  I am commanded by my Savior to share the Good News with all people everywhere, all the time, in every way possible! Anyone who’s heard me teach knows that my heart beats for bringing others to Jesus.”

The interview goes on to quote Warren to talk about his years-long efforts to build bridges between the Christian and Muslim communities.

“QUESTION: ‘Building a bridge’ sounds like compromise to many people.

WARREN: Building a bridge has nothing to do with compromising your beliefs. It’s all about your behavior and your attitude toward them. It’s about genuinely loving people. People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. Before people ask, ‘Is Jesus credible?’ they want to know if you are credible. Before people trust Jesus they must trust you. You cannot win your enemies to Christ, only your friends. It’s part of what Paul calls ‘the ministry of reconciliation.’ It is Christ-like to treat people with dignity and listen to them with respect.”

In an earlier statement on pastors.com, Warren stated: “As an evangelist, I spend much of my time speaking to non-Christian groups. You cannot win your enemies to Christ; only your friends, so we must build bridges of friendship and love to those who believe differently so Jesus can walk across that bridge into their hearts. Besides, it is not a sin, but rather COMMANDED by Jesus that we love our enemies. In the past 10 years, Saddleback Church has baptized over 22,000 new adult believers—simply because we express love to those who don’t know Christ yet.

“It is nonsense to believe that you must compromise your beliefs, or water down your convictions in order to love someone, or even just treat them with dignity.

“Jesus was called ‘the friend of sinners’ by the legalistic Pharisees because he hung out with (and clearly loved) unbelievers,” concluded Warren. “I HOPE YOU will 1) Always believe that EVERYONE needs Jesus as their Lord & Savior. 2) Have the courage to associate with nonbelievers in order to love them and bring them to the Savior. 3) Consider being called ‘a friend of sinners’ a Christ-like compliment. 4) Refuse to pass on rumors until you’ve checked for the truth with the person accused.”

Nevertheless, Farah has big problems with Warren, such “the confusing message when he told 8,000 Muslims in 2009: ‘I don’t know if you have noticed this, but God likes variety.’

“Yes,” declares Farah, “God likes variety in the animal kingdom, in nature and even in the personalities of men and women. But he doesn’t like variance from His teachings – not at all. In fact, He has no tolerance for deviation at all. That’s the central message of the Bible Rick Warren claims to believe is his inerrant authority. That’s why Christians believe he sent His only begotten Son into the world to pay for those offenses. If God liked different views of the Creator of the Universe, such a sacrifice would have been unnecessary.”

Also skeptical of Warren’s outreaches to Muslims is John F. McManus at the John Birch Society’s magazine The New American, which sees something far more sinister behind Chrislam – a one-world religion and one-world government.

“It seems like yesterday,” writes McManus, “but it was during the 2008 presidential race that John McCain and Barack Obama debated their respective worthiness to be the next U.S. President in a televised debate at a famous church in Southern California. The host was Pastor Rick Warren and the venue was his Saddleback Community Church in Orange County.

Warren at the McCain-Obama debate

“Many have wondered how Rick Warren was picked to host this important event. They weren’t aware that Pastor Warren is a member of the establishment’s Council on Foreign Relations, the same organization in which can be found John McCain and numerous Barack Obama appointees and advisors.”

The Birch Society has historically placed enormous significance on “guilt by association.”

“Nor,” continues McManus, “were many Americans apprised of the decades-old goal of the CFR to have the U.S. succumb to a world government long promoted by this correctly named ‘Seat of the Establishment.’”

The Council on Foreign Relations denies having as goals a one-world religion or a one-world government.

“Had the CFR connection been understood,” accuses McManus, “many would know in a moment why Warren and his church had been selected. They would also know how Warren’s photo and a flattering cover story about him soon ended up in the CFR-friendly Time magazine.”

The Birch Society also has a history of placing enormous weight on a variety of conspiracy theories, particularly the United Nations and the CFR plotting to merge the United States into a one-world entity that would likely be socialist and undemocratic.

“The ‘Purpose Driven Pastor,’ as he describes himself,” writes McManus, has recently been linked to Chrislam, which “calls upon adherents to participate in joint services that use both the Christian Bible and the Muslim’s Koran. In the recent past, Warren addressed a convention of the Islamic Society of North America where he stated in part: ‘… we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.’ Critics claim that such a prayer denigrates Christ and elevates the core belief of Islam. In other words, Islam wins and Christianity loses. Promoters of Chrislam insist that they are following the Christian message of ‘Love thy neighbor,’ something they claim can’t be done if one doesn’t know anything about his neighbor or his beliefs.

Warren praying at the Obama inauguration

“Warren had also been tapped to deliver a prayer at the 2009 inauguration of President Obama. In his remarks, he referred to Christ as ‘Isa,’ a Muslim name for Jesus,” notes McManus, not mentioning that Warren also used the English, Hebrew and Spanish names for Jesus. “Few caught the significance of the use of that unusual name. Muslims surely did. Yet, Warren adamantly denies being a promoter of Chrislam.”

What are the odds of Chrislam successfully merging Islam and Christianity? The largest entities in American Christianity, the Roman Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Convention, won’t even join the World Council Churches, which is made up of fellow Christians. Further, the Catholic Church considers pointless any call for unity that cannot result in all parties acknowledging the supreme authority of the Vatican.

Islam’s two largest entities, the Sunnis and Shi’ites, can’t even agree with each other on much – but do hold that Jesus was a prophet who had good things to say, but did not die on the cross and did not resurrect. The more fundamentalist Wahabis are wary of any theology other than their own – and are not about to embrace Christianity.

Nevertheless, with Warren’s people shaking their heads in dismay, the controversy rages on.

Jan Markell, writing for Right Side News, tells of her skepticism regarding Warren, saying she “shuddered” when she heard some of the accusations. “When he spoke to the Islamic Society of North America and withheld the Gospel, I reacted again. ISNA is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood.”

Rick Warren at the ISNA event

The moderate Christian website Crosswalk recently noted in its “Religion Today Summaries”:

“The Rev. Rick Warren of Saddleback Church, one of America’s most influential pastors, has received criticism for a new effort to build bridges between Christians and Muslims. According to the Orange County Register, Warren has been outreaching for years to Muslims, including breaking Ramadan fasts at mosques and addressing thousands of Muslims at a national convention in D.C., and has now embarked on an endeavor called “King’s Way” that aims to bring Christians and Muslims together.

“The ChristianNewswire reports that Warren’s church and Muslim leaders have co-authored a document outlining points of “agreement” between Christians and Muslims, affirming they believe in “one God” and share the “love of God” and “love of neighbor.”

“They have also agreed to not evangelize each other. Warren has denied that he is promoting “Chrislam” — a merging of Islam and Christianity — but Steve McConkey, president of the ministry 4 WINDS USA, argues: “Rick Warren and others who follow him are being led in the wrong direction. Instead of fulfilling the Great Commission of winning and building men and women in the faith, they are building a Tower of Babel that leads to nowhere … something like the ‘bridge to nowhere.’ … Warren has confused the Great Commission with the ‘Great Lie,’ that we can reach man with a little truth but more love. However, 1 Corinthians 13:6 says ‘Love does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.’ As we love others, we need to present the truth clearly despite the resulting persecution.”

What is “King’s Way”?

In the Register, Hinch writes about December’s inter-faith event: “At the dinner, Abraham Meulenberg, a Saddleback pastor in charge of interfaith outreach, and Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles, introduced King’s Way as ‘a path to end the 1,400 years of misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians.’

“The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity. The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in ‘one God’ and share two central commandments: ‘love of God’ and ‘love of neighbor.’ The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects. The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims.

“‘We agreed we wouldn’t try to evangelize each other,’ said Turk. ‘We’d witness to each other but it would be out of ‘Love Thy Neighbor,’ not focused on conversion.’

“Saddleback representatives declined to make Warren available for comment. Tom Holladay, associate senior pastor at Saddleback, said the outreach to Muslims is part of Saddleback’s PEACE Plan, a wide-ranging effort to solve major world problems by mobilizing governments, businesses and faith communities.

“‘This is us serving our own community with Muslims here in Orange County,’ said Holladay. ‘We realize we don’t agree about everything and we’re very open about that … You just recognize the differences and recognize the points where you can work together.’”

Is Warren secretly promoting Chrislam?

“Warren has faced criticism from some evangelicals for his outreach to Muslims,” notes Hinch. “Late last year, he issued a statement flatly denying rumors that he promulgates what critics term ‘Chrislam.’

Warren and Obama

“The ‘rumor is 100 percent false,’ Warren wrote at Pastors.com, a website he founded that provides practical advice to church leaders. ‘My life and ministry are built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.’

“Gwynne Guibord,” wrote Hinch, “an ordained Episcopal priest and co-founder of a Los Angeles outreach group that fosters relationships between churches and mosques nationwide, said Saddleback’s effort is unprecedented.

“Guibord said that when she and Jihad Turk co-founded the Christian-Muslim Consultative Group in 2006, they sent invitations to mosques, the Catholic archdiocese and a variety of mainline Protestant denominations throughout Southern California, but not to evangelical churches.”

It seemed pointless, she told the Register. “‘I think that many evangelicals feel a mandate to convert people to Christianity,’ Guibord said. Because the Consultative Group was founded to respond to increasing antagonism between the two faiths, ‘we would not have made headway’ if one side was trying to convert the other, she said. Now, she said, it might be possible to include evangelicals in her group’s work.

“Turk said the relationship between Saddleback and Muslims, though still in its infancy, has already produced results. ‘People (at the December dinner) were talking about the bonds they’ve formed and they were crying,’ he said. Both sides realized they shared misconceptions about each other’s faith.

“‘We did a quiz at the Christmas dinner,’ Turk said, ‘asking basic questions about Islam or Christianity with the scriptures, the Koran or the Bible. And both sides were missing it…. It’s an education for everyone.’

“Barakat said he continues to know Warren as a man who literally loves his neighbor,” writes Hinch. “Barakat said his children could always count on Warren to buy the candy or magazine subscriptions they sold door-to-door for school fundraisers. The Warrens have hosted Barakat’s family at a Christmas dinner, he said. ‘He calls me his Muslim brother. It all started with a friendship.’”

And the controversy rages on.

Source: By Rob Kerby, New accusations connect Rick Warren with Chrislam, BeliefNet, http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=1; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=2; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=3; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=4; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=5; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=6; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=7; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=8; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=9; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=10; http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Home-Page-News-and-Views/rick-warren-and-chrislam.aspx?p=11. (Accessed 17/03/2014.)

 



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  1. I tried to read but first paragraph had a grammar error. Hear is used instead of here. How can you be taken seriously when you don’t know your own language?

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  2. I didn’t mind the grammar error but thank you for the all the information you gathered & presented here. Let us pray for Rick Warren & all the other influential preachers who maybe dancing to Satan’s tune. Satan who can appear as an angel of light to deceive and so does his followers. There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

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  3. He has to know what he’s doing. He’s playing footsies with evil.

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  4. I see such a great deal of prejudice here. I come from an evangelical background, and have been living in Malaysia, a Muslim majority nation in S.E.Asia. The argument as to whether Christians and Muslims worship the same God will never cease.

    As far as I am concerned there is only one real God. In the Middle East, Arabs, both Christians and Muslims use the same word ‘Allah’ for the English word ‘God’. Both regard this God as the Creator, and as the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and also Jesus. In Malaysia and Indonesia the Malay Bibles, called Alkitab, use the word ‘Allah’ for ‘God’ and have done so for centuries.

    I the New Testament Paul suggests the ‘the unknown god’ of the Greeks as being the one we call ‘God’ in English. Getting away from the arguments of theologians, the ordinary man-in-the-street Christian, Muslim and many others believe in an Almighty God who began everything. To argue whether or not they all believe in the same God is an absolute waste of time. Clearly they do have different understandings about God, what God is like, how sins are dealt with, and so on. What Rick Warren seems to be doing is seeking to break down serious barriers of prejudice between people, which is surely a good thing.

    Let us remember, the Muslims have a very similar view of God as the Jews, who also do not believe in the Trinity, nor do they believe Jesus is God. so we may ask … is the God of the Jews the same as the God of the Christians? And from that … is the God of the New Testament the same as the God of the Old Testament? Judging from the arguments of the opponents of Rick Warren, they are also different!

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  5. Mike Vaughn
    The pagan moon god (allah) is the god of islam! islam is not our friend, they are not allowed to have friends outside of islam. They are only play acting, until they get the upper hand, and then they will remove, the head, of any person who does not convert. Stupid people, study and learn from their koran and other teachings, of their awful life style and how their men are allowed to rape women, yes they are!!!!! Also don’t forget, they can marry children {girls) then have sex with them, at age 9, or maybe before.
    islam is pure satan, (allah),islam another name of a satanic organization, where women are beaten legally.

    We must tell them, Jesus is the only way and we must not pull back from this truth!!!!!!!!!!

    To do, what Warren is doing,is WRONG from the beginning!!!!!!! WRONG NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Know that, Jesus is offensive to people, who do not believe. We must not leave, the True Word, of The one and only God, The Father, The Son Jesus, The Holy Spirit.
    Jesus is Lord !!!!

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  6. Mike Vaughn. You are making statements that are too generalised. It would appear that you have never lived among Muslims, and maybe never even met a Muslim. As I wrote, it is inappropriate to say that they worship another God when there is only one God.

    I agree with you that Jesus is the only way to the Father, and many of the criminal acts you mention do happen, but what you state is not generally accepted amongst most Muslims.

    You are not God, and YOU ARE WRONG to make such a judgement against Rick Warren. I believe what he appears to be doing is very good. There are some beliefs that are shared, and are good to base relationships upon without compromising fundamental truths of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. As Christians we are to love everyone, even our enemies. How do yo expect love to be expressed if not through friendship?

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