Heretics & NAR Apostles speaking at Australian Lutheran Conference and infiltrating Lutheran Churches?

This article will expose the teachings of the Lutheran Renewal Conference that was put on last year (2016) by Edgar Mayer. It will first introduce people to the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and its teachings and then demonstrate how this conference was used to convert Christians to the NAR and use them to infiltrate Australian Lutheran Churches. (We will also be publishing Chris Rosebrough’s coverage of this conference in another article.)

After the introduction, we will briefly expose the man who is leading the Lutheran Renewal cult – Edgar Mayer – in denying the Christian faith and the Lutheran expression of that faith. Then we will provide each session of the conference from YouTube with some key quotes from sessions at the bottom of each video.

(Please note – these men may come across loving, encouraging and equipping believers to love Christ and unite churches in love. However, they follow the same method as the majority of false teachers we continually monitor on CWC; they are simply deceiving so as to convince them that they are right and the Lutheran Church is ‘of the devil’. An easy way for people to see this is to skip all their grooming games in the sermon and watch the last 5-10 minutes of the sermon. This is what we did so you can see exactly what these men were actually hoping to achieve in their talks.)


THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION AND THE LUTHERAN RENEWAL “CHURCH”

The leader of the New Apostolic Reformation cult, C. Peter Wagner, in the 1970s taught that if the church wants to experience growth, “the end justifies the means:”

What is the nature of the New Apostolic Reformation? (Part 1) Lawless & Pragmatic.

Some key features of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) include stealth, secrecy, dishonesty, infiltration of denominations and social structures. Since its inception as the New Order of the Latter Rain, this movement has used various forms of deception to infiltrate churches and denominations around the world. From its inception until now the NAR have specifically targeted Pentecostal Churches. They went on to infiltrate the Baptist and other denominations to increase their influence around the globe.

One notable aspect is that they don’t lead the charge with their NARpostles, instead they come bearing spiritual gifts, promising love, peace and unity across denominations. When denominations embrace their teachings on the gifts, especially their teachings on the five-fold ministry and the spirit of sonship, their apostles emerge with their ‘Trojan horse’ gifts and bring denominations under their ‘authoritarian’ reign.

We saw how the NAR destroyed Australian Pentecostalism by infiltrating the AOG in the 1970s and overran it with its NARpostles and Prophets (through the writings of Apostle David Cartledge). However, after listening to Chris Rosebrough from Pirate Christian Radio (PCR), we are learning it is now being embraced by the Australian Lutheran Church.

The man behind this infiltration goes by the name of Edgar Mayer. And judging by his confession, he is an impostor and a traitor to the Lutheran faith. (See below.)

The last Lutheran Renewal Conference (LRC) was in October 28-30 2016 at Mt Barker, Australia. Here you can see Edgar Mayer using NARpostle Rolland Baker of Iris Ministries and NARpostle John Alley of Peace Apostolic Ministires to convert people to the New Apostolic Reformation cult. This conference was not put on to preach Christ and Him crucified through central Christian teachings.

IMPOSTOR EDGAR MAYER – GOING FROM BAD TO WORSE

The LRC was a conference specifically designed to attack Christ, the teachings of Lutheranism and the structure and authorities established in the Australian Lutheran Denomination. And on full display was a man who lost faith in God and in the way Christ wanted his church to be instituted. The result of losing the faith was a man who became faithless to Christ and his church and was tempted to find other roads to make his own religion to achieve what he wanted. So he became an advocate of the NAR and has helped this movement infiltrate the Australian Lutheran Church through his Lutheran Renewal “Church” movement.

Edgar Mayer confessed the following in his opening session:

“And I myself, I was dry. You know, I was praying. I never heard God talk back to me. Never had a sense I was guided by him. Um. The traditional way of worship, always saying the same words. That just didn’t work for me. And then I noticed that it didn’t really work for the majority of the congregation, either. Because, not only did I have no converts, I had a constant trickle of young families that left the church! And they weren’t offended with me or anything! It just- they probably felt like I was: “God! Where are you?”

So I was hungry. I got a bit desperate and I prayed. I said, “God. If that’s all there is to ministry, you can have it back. I can’t face another thirty years of that.” [28:28] 

If you don’t think he departed from the faith, look at his attitude towards Christ, the church and his Lutheran denomination towards the end of his first session at the Lutheran Renewal Conference:

“You know, the answer that I get from the channels say, “Edgar. You shouldn’t just always chase experiences. We have to hang on to the objective truth. You know? Let’s hang on to the objective truth that people are baptized. Point them back to their baptism!”

Right? It’s – – not the answer. It doesn’t work like that. It’s not as simple as that.

Of course you go back to the baptism! Of course you go back to Jesus dying on the cross for all sinners! Of course you go back to grace! Of course you go back to all the promises of God! But that in itself, knowing that, is no guarantee that I’m saved or that God is pleased with me.” [1:15:30]

He concluded the first session by comparing the Lutheran Church to the church of Laodicia, presenting the idea that he wanted to “unsettle assured people” so they can put faith in people’s testimonies and experiences with God, rather than Christ’s work on Calvary. Undergirding the entire first session was his hunger and thirst for ‘more’ of God. This type of behaviour is an indicator that the person has no relationship, understanding or concept of salvation due to the fact Jesus said that those who partake of him hunger and thirst no more. For Edgar Mayer, Jesus Christ and His death is not enough. Mayer clearly wants more than that and he has made that clear in this conference.

Furthermore, if people think his ‘gospel’ was not present in the first session, it was. He now believes in the NAR ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’. This is a gospel that elevates supernatural outcomes. In his case, his emphasis is in supernatural healings. And he knows the issue the Lutheran Church has with emphasis on divine healing and supernatural signs and wonders. But it is clear to see that he honestly believe in the NAR idea that healing is also in the atonement with his final comments:

“We have a God who says, ‘Everything is available to you.’ And you don’t have to earn it. You don’t have to measure up. You can- can come as you are. But you gotta come hungry.” [1:21:04]

However, Mayer didn’t realise he just said ‘you gotta come hungry’ to ‘earn’ everything’ from God. This is a legalistic treadmill gospel that leads to disaster.

So clearly this is no gospel at all. It’s a works-based gospel that links the forgiveness of sins and God’s grace to physical healing. That’s why his gospel is no different to the NAR leaders’ false gospel. This gospel will tries to convince people that if they aren’t healed, Jesus’ death was in vain or his “thirty nine stripes across his back” were for nothing. This leads the recipients of this gospel to conclude that if God hasn’t healed them, then there is no assurance that Jesus has saved them at all.

The other version of this same gospel is that the sick are blamed for not receiving divine healing through Christ’s death and suffering “when He bore stripes in His body” to make payment for their miracle. This is clearly the gospel Edgar Mayer is presenting.

Therefore, he is incredibly dangerous to have circulating around the body of Christ. We sincerely pray that the Australian Lutheran Church wisely deals with this dangerous man.


 

Here are the Sessions from the Lutheran Renewal Conference (see quotes below videos).

* NOTE: We have copied all the videos in case they are taken down.

Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2016, 1 of 9 – “The Hungry Will Always Get Fed” by Edgar Mayer,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXE0i1AVnJQ, YouTube, Published on Nov 7, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)

“And I myself, I was dry. You know, I was praying. I never heard God talk back to me. Never had a sense I was guided by him. Um. The traditional way of worship, always saying the same words. That just didn’t work for me. And then I noticed that it didn’t really work for the majority of the congregation, either.

Because, not only did I have no converts, I had a constant trickle of young families that left the church! And they weren’t offended with me or anything! It just- they probably felt like I was: “God! Where are you?”

So I was hungry. I got a bit desperate and I prayed. I said, “God. If that’s all there is to ministry, you can have it back. I can’t face another thirty years of that.” [28:28

“You know, the answer that I get from the channels say, “Edgar. You shouldn’t just always chase experiences. We have to hang on to the objective truth. You know? Let’s hang on to the objective truth that people are baptized. Point them back to their baptism!”

Right? It’s – – not the answer. It doesn’t work like that. It’s not as simple as that.

Of course you go back to the baptism! Of course you go back to Jesus dying on the cross for all sinners! Of course you go back to grace! Of course you go back to all the promises of God! But that in itself, knowing that, is no guarantee that I’m saved or that God is pleased with me.” [1:15:30]

 “And it’s part of a preachers job to sometimes unsettle assured people.” [1:19:08]

“But I tell you, if you are listening to testimonies and if you read church history, again and again and again, the first people to get converted when the Holy Spirit moves are the people in the church. It happened in Luther’s time.” [1:19:38]

“If you hear testimonies of God and how a relationship with God can be. And you sit there and you think, ‘Hey, I don’t really know at all what they’re talking about. I don’t know what it means to have the peace of God in my life. I don’t know what it means to pray and get a sense of God talking back to me.’

If you know passages in the bible that don’t make sense to you, it says, you know, ‘The Holy Spirit testifies with your spirit that you’re a child of God.’ The Spirit of God- God comes- it comes with a spirit of sonship.

And by this spirit of son ship, we cry ‘Abba- Dear Father,’ out of trust. If all of that doesn’t make and sense, you know I encourage you not to shut it down. I encourage us as a church not to shut it down but to become hungry.” [1:20:12] (NAR Sonship Doctrine)

“We have a God who says, ‘Everything is available to you.’ And you don’t have to earn it. You don’t have to measure up. You can- can come as you are. But you gotta come hungry.” [1:21:04]


Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2016, 2 of 9 – “A Journey of Renewal and Repentance” by Edgar Mayer, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQyeTKOABOw, Published on Nov 4, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)


Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2o16, 3 of 9 -Rolland Baker, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAUo97t9NcQ, Published on Nov 4, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)


Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2o16, 4 of 9 -Rolland Baker, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SoikYslwws, Published on Nov 4, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)

“We made a prayer with the food. Everybody ate, I mean everybody ate. But you have to be very childlike, totally abandoned, totally obedient, totally submissive, Jesus is all that matters to you, and that’s it, end of subject. Full stop.

I’m going to continue later, about this marriage we have with God. A lot of people don’t think God is romantic, but God describes himself to the nation of Israel as their husband, over and over. He is our husband, not just our Father. He’s everything we need.

He’s an infinite, invisible God that we cannot see as the Father. But the Father also manifested Himself as the Son. Colossians says, ‘the fullness of the Deity dwelt in bodily form. He’s also a perfect companion, the perfect human companion. He is also Holy Spirit that can be everywhere, He’s just absolutely perfect.

He comes to us with these various perspectives because he’s perfect. But I know in my own heart He is the only thing there is in the universe that satisfies what our hearts are created for and need. We need romance, we absolutely need romance. When we have that, that’s what produces incredible joy.

That’s what the Christian life is about. You can agree with that, you can sit here, nod, and say, ‘yeah that’s true’. That doesn’t mean you have much of it, and I would like for you tonight to get a whole lot more of it, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Amen, let’s go have dinner. [1:16:56]


Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2o16, 5 of 9 -Rolland Baker, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYK8Q4kLvs, Published on Nov 6, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)


Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2o16, 7 of 9 – Rolland Baker, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9LwReRZmbE, Published on Nov 6, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)


Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2o16, 8 of 9 – “About Spiritual Warfare” by John Alley, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkw6Yc_vtg, Published on Nov 6, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)

 – Promotes his book that explains why Australia suffered ecological and economical problems.

“And I can tell you in every case, that the problems were caused by the church. By the structure of the church. The relationship structure of the church…” [12:40]

“Well I appointed them. I can disappoint them.” [45:20] (Talking about his eldership)

“And what I discovered was that the thing in our city that so locked up the spirit realm that any honest pastor like Rob here, at Calvary Lutheran, or my friend Bob – the guy you saw with the helicopter, the COC fella that flew out of the flood, anything they start just seems to grind down to nothing.

Because thrones of darkness, (I’m talking demonic principalities), have been sat on thrones over our city by the five-fold ministry that is so out of order, it cares not for a thing for any other church or ministry. Just building their own. Aggressive claims. They lay claims on the city. They claim the souls. Claim the wealth. Claim the children. Claim the family. Claim all the converts. But what the devil says to rob is, “You can’t have it because he’s already claimed it.” It sets up a huge struggle. Five-fold ministry out of order is an evil thing and we are seeking to address it. Awareness has got to be given to the body of Christ.” [57:13]

“The good news is that the Holy Spirit is addressing it. We are here to teach the five-fold ministry ‘How-to-love-one-another’. How to walk together as brothers. “How good and how pleasant it is.” “There the Lord commands a blessing.” You know the Psalm as well as me.” [59:42]

“Nine thrones! And the Lord has begun to explain to me each one of these thrones. So far we have the names and explanations of four of them.” [1:00:55]


Source: Uploaded by Lutheran Renewal, LRC 2016, 9 of 9 – “Eating His Body for Enough Bread” by Edgar Mayer, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICO1jHomhCE, Published on Nov 6, 2016. (Accessed 25/04/2017.)

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